Regards from Quito, Ecuador

Luis Alberto

I have tried registering for the forum but so far nothing but an automated response but no validation has followed.

I hope everyone is OK

David

Best regards,

Al

No problem at all. Feel free to contact me at any time you need. I check this site practically every hour from Monday to Friday. Just an idea - learn how to develop stored procedures, functions, triggers and views and MySQL 5.0 and you’ll be very surprised about your application’s performance.

Thanks again and happy ASP.NET/MySQL programming!

Ernest Bonat, Ph.D.
Visual WWW, Inc.
http://www.evisualwww.com

Thanks again, this is exactly what I was looking for - a tried and true approach that I can use as a solid foundation for learning this stuff.

And thanks to *Mike* - the site looks great - I’ve bookmarked it for future use. Make that three Canadians if you count me.

Definitely the first method is not good. This one can make you very upset at the end of the day. I did try that in 2003 with VB.NET 2003 and SQL Server 2000 and I don’t want to remember it now. The second one is OK as long as you use stored procedures and functions everywhere, but need to be proved in real production environment at this point too.

I don’t use any of them. I do every thing unbound (for MySQL Server 5.0) using stored procedures and functions everywhere, MySqlDataReader object to read a load all my controls and the MySqlCommand execute method to change (inset, update and delete) the database tables. I can guarantee that the above approach is solid and proved. Me and my developers are doing that from 1996 using VB 6.0 / Access / SQL Server / Oracle / IBM DB2 – guest what? – Every thing work perfect! Even today with MySQL/PHP web applications development we’re using stored procedures, functions, triggers and views everywhere – That’s the real beauty of MySQL 5.0 Server today!

I can’t wait my time and fail at the client site – this world is very small! They pay me to have milk and bread every day when I wake up every morning .

I hope this helps you to make some decisions. Feel free to contact me at any time you need.

Note: Mike Hillyer is in charge of this website and thank much to him for all his work and time! He is Canadian like me .

Thanks

Ernest Bonat, Ph.D.
Visual WWW, Inc.
http://www.evisualwww.com

Thanks for the detailed reply. I understand what you’re saying about insisting on using proven technologies for your clients. Please bare with me, I’m just a bit unclear about what specifically you’re referring to when you say the “databinding components”. Here are two methods that I’m familiar with for accessing the database:

1. The Typed Dataset/Table Adapter method (http://www.asp.net/learn/dataaccess/tutorial01cs.aspx?tabid=63) where, for instance, you take a GridControl and choose a Data Source object (a Typed Dataset/Table Adapter) to bind it to the grid.

2. Programmatically accessing the database using ADO.NET (SqlConnection, SqlCommand, and SqlDataReader classes or their MySQLDirect equivalents), and then binding those results to the data Web controls through their DataSource properties.

Are you saying that both of these methods are unproven, or just method 1? If one method works better than the other, I’d prefer to use the more reliable method. If they essentially do the same thing under the hood, then I’ll have to make a decision. This is really what I was getting at when I asked you about (basic) best practices.

If I do decide to use MySQLDirect.NET, I’ll be happy to report back on the approach I used and how well it worked.

Also, thanks to Matt for letting us talk about this on his site. This is very useful for me.

In 1993 with VB 3.0 Microsoft introduce the databinding technology using the Data Control. This control was completing unuseful for building production Client/Server business applications. Problems: a lot of crashes and very slow data retrieval and transaction. The same problems appear in VB 4, 5, 6 and VB.NET 2002 and 2003. How about VB.NET 2005? Here is the situation. Personally, I have no info from any of my clients, friends, developers and students that the data databinding in VS.NET 2005 is working properly for building enterprise production Windows and Internet web applications today. I understand that Microsoft introduced a lot of databinding components in this release, but this need to be proved in real life. So far, I have no proof today.

Now, this is me. I’m a freelance consulting software developer with 4 part-time developers doing MySQL/PHP Internet development. Can I go to my clients and build business applications with some tool or technologies that may be does not work? Can I take this risk? No, I’ll never take this risk. If I take the risk and after 3 or 4 months of development time the application does not work because I use databinding components. I’m complete DONE!. I can’t afford to do that. I really know that I have to use proving tools or technologies. I can’t put my name in front of some thing that may be does not work. This is very clear for me.

About MySQLDirect.NET: this tool is very good for application integration with VS.NET 2005. You can build your application in one solid environment without using MySQL GUI tools or Toad for MySQL, or Navicat program. About MySQLDirect.NET databinding I have no info about it too.

Here is a question for you. Would you like to try MySQLDirect.NET databinding in your application and let everyone know if it works?

Thanks

Ernest Bonat, Ph.D.
Visual WWW, Inc.
http://www.evisualwww.com

You said that you don’t use GUI databinding tools built into VS.NET 2005. Do you think they’re not stable enough for a real application?

I tried the MySQLDirect.NET Data Provider from Core Lab on your recommendation and see that it allows you to use the GUI databinding tools in VS.NET 2005. Do you still not recommend using them with MySQLDirect.NET for a real application?

If it’s better not to use the GUI databinding tools - even with MySQLDirect.NET - then wouldn’t the free MySQL Connector/Net do the trick?

I’m new at this so if you can suggest any best practices for ASP.NET / MySQL for real-world applications, I’d be very grateful to hear them. I’m just getting started on a project and would let to get off on the right foot.

Thanks.

I did not understand your post. Let me know if you need some help!

Thanks

Ernest Bonat, Ph.D.
Visual WWW, Inc.